Comments on: Did I say “theoretical”? Openness and Google Books digitization http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12 John's blog on libraries, library technology, and pizza Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:01:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bowerbird http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-474 bowerbird Tue, 27 May 2008 18:55:01 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-474 i couldn't post here (don't know why), so i posted elsewhere: > http://paulcourant.net/2008/04/26/john-wilkin-and-others-on-openness-and-its-opposites/#comment-262 i couldn’t post here (don’t know why),
so i posted elsewhere:
> http://paulcourant.net/2008/04/26/john-wilkin-and-others-on-openness-and-its-opposites/#comment-262

]]> By: R http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-435 R Mon, 19 May 2008 15:15:28 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-435 As I posted on my blog: Thanks for the comment. I was trying to summarize a quoted quote in a lecture, like an academic game of telephone. Considering the number of steps away from your own words I apologize for *all* of my inaccuracies! As I posted on my blog: Thanks for the comment. I was trying to summarize a quoted quote in a lecture, like an academic game of telephone. Considering the number of steps away from your own words I apologize for *all* of my inaccuracies!

]]> By: jpwilkin http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-434 jpwilkin Sun, 18 May 2008 12:21:06 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-434 Learned fangirl writes that "He quotes John Wilkin of University of Michigan libraries, as saying that kids today are only interested in looking at digital books...." Ain't the sort of thing I weigh in on. I wouldn't pretend to have thought much about digital natives or even just kids today and their use of systems. Learned fangirl writes that “He quotes John Wilkin of University of Michigan libraries, as saying that kids today are only interested in looking at digital books….” Ain’t the sort of thing I weigh in on. I wouldn’t pretend to have thought much about digital natives or even just kids today and their use of systems.

]]> By: “Social Networks and the Good Society” presented at Northwestern University by Cass Sunstein, Siva Vaidhyanathan, and Eszter Hargittai « The Learned Fangirl http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-432 “Social Networks and the Good Society” presented at Northwestern University by Cass Sunstein, Siva Vaidhyanathan, and Eszter Hargittai « The Learned Fangirl Sun, 18 May 2008 03:58:30 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-432 [...] and we should move in that direction. [I didn't find a quote saying exactly that but Wilkin is a strong booster of Google [...] [...] and we should move in that direction. [I didn't find a quote saying exactly that but Wilkin is a strong booster of Google [...]

]]> By: Evaluating the quality of electronic texts « Digital Scholarship in the Humanities http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-420 Evaluating the quality of electronic texts « Digital Scholarship in the Humanities Fri, 09 May 2008 18:33:04 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-420 [...] Kahle and John Wilkin of the University of Michigan recently debated what “open” means. According to Kahle, open content, like open source code, can be [...] [...] Kahle and John Wilkin of the University of Michigan recently debated what “open” means. According to Kahle, open content, like open source code, can be [...]

]]> By: What is open? What is free? - The fate of library digitization projects and our information inheritance « Read Acted http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-404 What is open? What is free? - The fate of library digitization projects and our information inheritance « Read Acted Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:30:10 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-404 [...] Vaidhyanathan weighs in on the recent comments of John Wilkin€™s of the University of Michigan libraries, wherein he described U of M’s collaboration with [...] [...] Vaidhyanathan weighs in on the recent comments of John Wilkin€™s of the University of Michigan libraries, wherein he described U of M’s collaboration with [...]

]]> By: jpwilkin http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-402 jpwilkin Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:44:46 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-402 An interesting question. Whether it *should* be (the role) or not isn't really a question at this point, with decades of examples of libraries working with "vendors" in ways that leveraged library collections for what you might view as a vendor's competitive advantage. Obviously, some deals were more selfless than others, and many have involved royalties or discounts provided to the libraries. In fact, *some* sort of relationship is absolutely necessary because of the inaccessibility of the materials in our collections (publishers, for example, don't have the titles and frequently don't know what they've published). On the other hand, the nature of the deal is what's at issue, and we believe that having a copy of the files for long-term preservation and meaningfully open access, and fairly liberal terms for the way that we use the materials, is a good exchange for the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of work entailed in doing the scanning. An interesting question. Whether it *should* be (the role) or not isn’t really a question at this point, with decades of examples of libraries working with “vendors” in ways that leveraged library collections for what you might view as a vendor’s competitive advantage. Obviously, some deals were more selfless than others, and many have involved royalties or discounts provided to the libraries. In fact, *some* sort of relationship is absolutely necessary because of the inaccessibility of the materials in our collections (publishers, for example, don’t have the titles and frequently don’t know what they’ve published). On the other hand, the nature of the deal is what’s at issue, and we believe that having a copy of the files for long-term preservation and meaningfully open access, and fairly liberal terms for the way that we use the materials, is a good exchange for the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of work entailed in doing the scanning.

]]> By: Anon http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-400 Anon Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:33:53 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-400 Why give Google competitive advantage? How is this the role of a libraries vis a vis a vendor? Why give Google competitive advantage? How is this the role of a libraries vis a vis a vendor?

]]> By: bowerbird http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-399 bowerbird Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:11:27 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-399 i have cheered your stance to make your scanned books available to the public from the very beginning... what i see here -- as well as in your refusal to allow the downloading of all the text from a book in one operation, as opposed to page-by-page -- seems to be a backtrack on your earlier promises... don't know if i misunderstood your early statements or if i misunderstand you now, but there seems -- to me -- to be a significant difference. -bowerbird i have cheered your stance
to make your scanned books
available to the public from
the very beginning…

what i see here — as well as
in your refusal to allow the
downloading of all the text
from a book in one operation,
as opposed to page-by-page
– seems to be a backtrack
on your earlier promises…

don’t know if i misunderstood
your early statements or if
i misunderstand you now,
but there seems — to me –
to be a significant difference.

-bowerbird

]]> By: jpwilkin http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12/comment-page-1#comment-398 jpwilkin Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:55:57 +0000 http://scholarlypublishing.org/jpwilkin/archives/12#comment-398 Suz Chapman reminds me that all too often discussions overlook or may not be clear on the fact that Michigan has secured the right to bring back a copy of all of the digitized content and to put it online ourselves. In fact, stories like the AP article that stimulated this discussion depict the state of things as being about access only being possible through Google. At Michigan, we have a fairly continuous flow of files coming back to us and the process of getting those links in the catalog is happening just as continuously (and automatically). One thing I'm pleased to add is that we're collaborating with other institutions to expand the body of content, i.e., to create a "Shared Digital Repository," something we intended from the outset of our agreement with Google.More on this later. Suz Chapman reminds me that all too often discussions overlook or may not be clear on the fact that Michigan has secured the right to bring back a copy of all of the digitized content and to put it online ourselves. In fact, stories like the AP article that stimulated this discussion depict the state of things as being about access only being possible through Google. At Michigan, we have a fairly continuous flow of files coming back to us and the process of getting those links in the catalog is happening just as continuously (and automatically). One thing I’m pleased to add is that we’re collaborating with other institutions to expand the body of content, i.e., to create a “Shared Digital Repository,” something we intended from the outset of our agreement with Google.More on this later.

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